[owncloud-devel] Update available via admin interface

Jos Poortvliet jospoortvliet at gmail.com
Mon Nov 23 15:36:18 GMT 2015


https://github.com/owncloud/owncloud.org/pull/791

On Monday 23 November 2015 12:49:37 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 November 2015 12:04:13 tflidd wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > automated upgrades to a new Ubuntu LTS version are pushed with the first 
> > point-release of a new version. This could be a good idea for owncloud 
> > as well. After a new major release, the updater app just waits for the 
> > first point release (8.2.1, for next major upgrade 9.0.1). Then the new 
> > version has already been installed on a larger number of hosts. Most 
> > updater-app users don't have full access to the system and possible 
> > problems are much harder to identify and to fix.
> > 
> > A testing mode of the updater app would be a very nice feature. This 
> > way, users who really need new features  or who just want to test the 
> > upgrade process, can run an upgrade to the 8.2.0-version. Or is there 
> > currently any way to test the updater app?
> 
> Not that I know off.
> 
> See the http://owncloud.org/release-channels for what we tried to set up. The idea is:
> * Production: gets bugfixes a few days after they are out, gets new releases upon first bugfix release (eg 8.2.1) a few days after it is out.
> * Stable: gets bugfix releases and major releases a few days after they are out
> * Testing: gets testing packages (beta, RC)
> * daily: automatic daily snapshots
> 
> Now that's the *theory*. I believe that making stuff available for Production and Stable isn't automated and it is something Frank or one of a few other core developers do when they feel things are stable enough to push them out. In general, that happens 3-7 days after a release. Sometimes they're not entirely sure and it takes longer, sometimes it happens not at all (if a serious bug is found, so you get the next bugfix release) and sometimes there's a perfect storm and due to stand of the moon, holiday and bad voodoo it takes a bit longer.
> 
> I'll try and add some words about this to the release channels webpage.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jos
> 
> 
> 
> > Regards,
> > tflidd
> > 
> > 
> > On 2015-11-17 10:10, jimknopf at gmx.org wrote:
> > > Hi Chris,
> > > 
> > > sorry for the misunderstanding, I did not intend to affront you
> > > personally, but from your first response I gathered that you know
> > > about the details of classifying a release.
> > > 
> > > @all: I would like to raise the question of what use a release channel
> > > setup has if a new version can be released that does not seem to be
> > > fit for any of the channels? The channels choosen look quite alright
> > > to me - I can decide if you want to be ahead of the pack or be more on
> > > the safe side. That is how I read the channels:
> > > 
> > >  	* Production: very well debugged (if not bugfree, alas) and
> > > established release; at the moment, I would expect 8.1.4
> > >  	* Stable: well tested, but with major changes; 8.2 at the moment
> > >  	* Beta: Something like 8.2.1, also RC, for add-on devs for example
> > > or maintainers of large installations to prepare for upcoming changes
> > >  	* Nightly: well, just that, nightly build, just for core developers
> > > 
> > > Also, I would like to remind everyone of the first line on the release
> > > notes page (https://owncloud.org/changelog/)
> > > 
> > > _We recommend you follow our Release Channels [1] to always have the
> > > latest ownCloud Server version which fits your needs._
> > > 
> > > So as an admin, I am urged to use release channels, but OC does not
> > > deliver what meet the expectations raised by itself.
> > > 
> > > To me it looks like there is a gap between outward communication and
> > > perception and the inner thinking about delivering updates; and if I
> > > may add, it seems at least possible that there is no common
> > > understanding in the developer community, as well.
> > > 
> > > Regards
> > > Jim
> > > 
> > > GESENDET: Dienstag, 17. November 2015 um 06:16 Uhr
> > > VON: Chris <fisch.666 at gmx.de>
> > > AN: devel at owncloud.org
> > > BETREFF: Re: [owncloud-devel] Update available via admin interface
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > why is everyone thinking that if someone is answering somewhere that
> > > he is
> > > instantly speaking for the project.
> > > 
> > > I'm not speaking for the project oC, i'm not related to ownCloud inc.
> > > at
> > > all, i'm not a developer and i'm also not releasing anything ;-)
> > > 
> > > The post above was just my personal thinking about that.
> > > 
> > >> So please explain, in which release channel does 8.2 belong exactly?
> > > 
> > > In none i would say. It probably will hit "stable" as soon as it is
> > > "ready
> > > for home users at minimal risk". I don't see a problem here...
> > > 
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> > > 
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