[owncloud-devel] Bug#815963: Warn users about unsupported upgrade path

Lukas Reschke lukas at statuscode.ch
Sun Feb 28 10:43:39 GMT 2016

See also https://github.com/owncloud/core/issues/22313 and

We're spending significant time in core on already fixed bugs. I don't
consider this really helpful for us nor our users. This is taking user data
at risk by intention.

- Lukas
On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 at 11:15, Lukas Reschke <lukas at statuscode.ch> wrote:

> I stand with my comments. If some downstream people believe they know it
> better than upstream they are illusional and taking user data at risk.
> If this doesn't work with the way they distribute packages they should not
> distribute it OR add extensive testing sets to core to prove that updates
> will work.
> And of course users have to follow our update processes. That's why we
> have code in place that enforces it. If they remove that then they simply
> are not using ownCloud but a fork which should be marked as such. Our code
> integrity check will detect such situations.
> And yes, this is a longterm goal that we're aiming at and there are
> tickets for it. What they do is taking user data at risk AND outsourcing
> support to us in case it breaks. An unacceptable move from my PoV.
> Instead of randomly deciding that this works downstream should have filed
> an issue and worked with us to the goal to support this in future. Note
> that the version that Debian has in stable also is missing quite a few bug
> fixes leading to data loss. My blog post recently highlighted one.
> Seriously. This whole "we randomly backport patches that we consider
> critical" thing is just not suited for fast evolving web apps like ownCloud.
> - Lukas
> On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 at 11:00, Klaas Freitag <freitag at owncloud.com> wrote:
>> On 27.02.2016 15:49, Lukas Reschke wrote:
>> > This is super dangerous stuff from Debian and I*HIGHLY*  would advise
>> > anybody from NOT using distribution packages for ownCloud.
>> >
>> > Highly irresponsible from them to risk user data like that. Honestly,
>> the
>> > maintainer should know better.
>> Sorry, but this is over the top. Of course debians way of patching this
>> is wrong, but have you ever thought about why they do it?
>> It is completely naive to think that users (using distro packages or
>> not) will always follow the upgrade path ownClouds core devs think is
>> good. ownCloud isn't the center of the world for everybody.
>> One could easily argue that ownCloud is badly architected if it is not
>> able to detect which version it is updating from and to which it updates
>> to. From that information it could be able to build a list of actions to
>> perform. Other systems manage to do that. If that is too hard with the
>> underlying technology we are using that is a different thing, but in
>> means a reason for this bashing comments. That is not helping anybody.
>> We should spend our energy to improve things rather than pointing to
>> each other. In FOSS we're all in the same boat.
>> regards,
>> Klaas
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