[owncloud-devel] Update available via admin interface

mark.ziegler at rakekniven.de mark.ziegler at rakekniven.de
Thu Jan 7 12:51:18 GMT 2016


Hello Jim,

I share your POV regarding "few days" and release channels.
Updated from 8.2.1 to 8.2.2 manually of given reasons.

Dear ownCloud release people:
Please think of this topic once more, thank you.

Cheers,
Mark

Zitat von jimknopf at gmx.org:

> Hello everybody,
>
> I would very much like to follow the advice given in  
> http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2015/12/five-reasons-to-upgrade-your-owncloud.html and cited in the blog on owncloud.org, since I agree with the  
> author.
>
> But - again, I am forced to say - the most recent version 8.2.2 is  
> not available via admin interface, although it has been out since 2  
> weeks. Again - I am forced to say -, more than the „few days“ stated  
> in the admin page have passed, and still nothing happened.
>
> I am beginning to doubt that OC is ready for daily use in a  
> productive environment, and be it for personal use only. Or at the  
> very least, its developers and/or managers are not understanding the  
> need to make this work as seamlessly as possible.
>
> All my former arguments are still unrefuted, btw, especially the one  
> regarding the contradiction of what the project says at  
> https://owncloud.org/release-channels/ and how the responsible  
> developers and/or managers act.
>
> Regards
> Jim
>
>
>> Am 23.11.2015 um 12:49 schrieb Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet at gmail.com>:
>>
>> On Tuesday 17 November 2015 12:04:13 tflidd wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> automated upgrades to a new Ubuntu LTS version are pushed with the first
>>> point-release of a new version. This could be a good idea for owncloud
>>> as well. After a new major release, the updater app just waits for the
>>> first point release (8.2.1, for next major upgrade 9.0.1). Then the new
>>> version has already been installed on a larger number of hosts. Most
>>> updater-app users don't have full access to the system and possible
>>> problems are much harder to identify and to fix.
>>>
>>> A testing mode of the updater app would be a very nice feature. This
>>> way, users who really need new features  or who just want to test the
>>> upgrade process, can run an upgrade to the 8.2.0-version. Or is there
>>> currently any way to test the updater app?
>>
>> Not that I know off.
>>
>> See the http://owncloud.org/release-channels for what we tried to  
>> set up. The idea is:
>> * Production: gets bugfixes a few days after they are out, gets new  
>> releases upon first bugfix release (eg 8.2.1) a few days after it  
>> is out.
>> * Stable: gets bugfix releases and major releases a few days after  
>> they are out
>> * Testing: gets testing packages (beta, RC)
>> * daily: automatic daily snapshots
>>
>> Now that's the *theory*. I believe that making stuff available for  
>> Production and Stable isn't automated and it is something Frank or  
>> one of a few other core developers do when they feel things are  
>> stable enough to push them out. In general, that happens 3-7 days  
>> after a release. Sometimes they're not entirely sure and it takes  
>> longer, sometimes it happens not at all (if a serious bug is found,  
>> so you get the next bugfix release) and sometimes there's a perfect  
>> storm and due to stand of the moon, holiday and bad voodoo it takes  
>> a bit longer.
>>
>> I'll try and add some words about this to the release channels webpage.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jos
>>
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> tflidd
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2015-11-17 10:10, jimknopf at gmx.org wrote:
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>
>>>> sorry for the misunderstanding, I did not intend to affront you
>>>> personally, but from your first response I gathered that you know
>>>> about the details of classifying a release.
>>>>
>>>> @all: I would like to raise the question of what use a release channel
>>>> setup has if a new version can be released that does not seem to be
>>>> fit for any of the channels? The channels choosen look quite alright
>>>> to me - I can decide if you want to be ahead of the pack or be more on
>>>> the safe side. That is how I read the channels:
>>>>
>>>> 	* Production: very well debugged (if not bugfree, alas) and
>>>> established release; at the moment, I would expect 8.1.4
>>>> 	* Stable: well tested, but with major changes; 8.2 at the moment
>>>> 	* Beta: Something like 8.2.1, also RC, for add-on devs for example
>>>> or maintainers of large installations to prepare for upcoming changes
>>>> 	* Nightly: well, just that, nightly build, just for core developers
>>>>
>>>> Also, I would like to remind everyone of the first line on the release
>>>> notes page (https://owncloud.org/changelog/)
>>>>
>>>> _We recommend you follow our Release Channels [1] to always have the
>>>> latest ownCloud Server version which fits your needs._
>>>>
>>>> So as an admin, I am urged to use release channels, but OC does not
>>>> deliver what meet the expectations raised by itself.
>>>>
>>>> To me it looks like there is a gap between outward communication and
>>>> perception and the inner thinking about delivering updates; and if I
>>>> may add, it seems at least possible that there is no common
>>>> understanding in the developer community, as well.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> GESENDET: Dienstag, 17. November 2015 um 06:16 Uhr
>>>> VON: Chris <fisch.666 at gmx.de>
>>>> AN: devel at owncloud.org
>>>> BETREFF: Re: [owncloud-devel] Update available via admin interface
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> why is everyone thinking that if someone is answering somewhere that
>>>> he is
>>>> instantly speaking for the project.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not speaking for the project oC, i'm not related to ownCloud inc.
>>>> at
>>>> all, i'm not a developer and i'm also not releasing anything ;-)
>>>>
>>>> The post above was just my personal thinking about that.
>>>>
>>>>> So please explain, in which release channel does 8.2 belong exactly?
>>>>
>>>> In none i would say. It probably will hit "stable" as soon as it is
>>>> "ready
>>>> for home users at minimal risk". I don't see a problem here...
>>>>
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>>>> Links:
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>>>> [1] https://owncloud.org/release-channels
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